freibiergesicht:

I like how the person responding to you both denied privilege while reveling in it at the same time.  But I have a sort of tangent on this and I hope you take it in the spirit in which it’s meant:

I’ll admit as a white person that it make me uncomfortable when white SJW use “white” in a derogatory way - not because it’s not apt, but when other white people do it, it seems like a way of setting yourself apart from other white people and thus attempting to escape your own white privilege in a way that’s inherently co-opting and appropriative.  Like when white blogger garlandgrey “pointed out” that most of the queer “women” bloggers (not that they all were, that’s how he chose to frame it) who were “anti-asexual” or “anti-demisexual” were white and we it was notable that we were white - and again while it was true that most of “us” (i’m not even sure who the “us” is in this tbh) are white some of “us” aren’t, and he himself is a white dude so….what.  What is the point in drawing this analogy?  It seems both self-serving and at best co-opt-y.

it seems like a way to win ally points while also trying to erase our own whiteness in the conversation, to bring up whiteness when it’s not relevant, or even if it is, for a white person to position themselves as outside of or above whiteness.  I used to do this and I’m sure I still do sometimes so I think I understand, in most cases, the impetus behind it, but to be honest it isn’t pretty when you really examine it. 

White people saying other people’s behavior is “white” in a context where whiteness isn’t the issue just always seems to me a way to win more points or engage in a kind of cookie-grabbing that seems uncool.  Idk, as I’ve obviously stated, I’m white, so I’m not necessarily the person to be saying “Here’s how people should act wrt racial issues!” but when it’s talking about how white people interact with other white people if they’re drawing analogies to race, I feel it’s kinda valid.

Also not to bring up shades of Feministe but I am drunk.  I have reread this tho and I am pretty sure it makes sense.  But I’m totally open to disagreement if I’ve shown my drunk ass.

Oh, I get what you’re saying! And in my original post, the “wait this is incredibly white isn’t it?” line was more of a revelation I had while I was typing out the first paragraph — when I started listing all the entitled, colonizing behaviors, something clicked. And then this kid came out of nowhere and started whining about reverse racism. :B

But it’s like.. also… (because this relates to my OP) I’m feeling a bit like hiding behind my hands, after all the attention (omg over 80 notes) that my posts about PantheaCon have been getting, since it’s like.. well…. I’m not a trans woman, and although I’m enraged and deeply saddened about not just what Z Budapest said/did there but moreso all the cissplaining in the pagan blogosphere — beyond all that, I’m not the target of that transphobia at PCon. I’m feeling somewhat self-conscious about the amount of notes the posts are getting but at the same time I’m glad that at least people seem to find my words valuable.

But aaaaaaaaahhh I’m also tumblring drunk tonight so uh I think I should probably just go re-dye my hair right now

(Source: lindentea)